As with many other recent Panasonic cameras, the new GX850 includes built-in Wi-Fi for easily remote control shooting and wireless sharing of images to smart devices. X100s not only copy "Leica look", but also brings FUJI from dead. In this article – the first of two – professional optics geek Roger Cicala explains all. Back in 2013, the team at Panasonic somehow managed to cram a nearly full-featured Micro Four Thirds camera into a pocket-cam-sized body with the tiny GM1. It feels like just a couple concessions would make the GX850 a whole lot more enthusiast friendly. The trend of removing EVF's from proper cameras is motivated by cost-cutting, not customer demand. Last updated: 03/07/2018, Updates: Impressive image quality; Sleek design; 4K video recording; Good overall performance; Tilting touchscreen; Enjoyable user experience. (And why should you care?). This view also shows its USB-charging and HDMI port. The EVF for me would be more important than the bundled kit lens that I may not buy and may change or where I can benefit of the lighter plastic. These are the same specs as on the earlier GF7. 'What's the best mirrorless camera?' Overview by William BrawleyPosted: 04/05/2016Updates:04/05/2016: Special Gallery Supplement and Beta-sample Gallery Images added05/27/2016: Production-level First Shots posted06/16/2016: Image Quality Comparison and Print Quality posted06/24/2016: Production-level Gallery Supplement & Images posted 09/01/2016: Field Test Part I posted09/14/2016: Field Test Part II posted10/19/2016: Focus Stacking update added1… The overall styling is very sleek, compact and minimalist, especially from the front, which is all but devoid of any buttons except for the lens release switch. I own a GF7(previous model of the GX850) and a GX85. No ideal what Panasonic is doing for shorting/"Down sizing" the battery life. We've just finished processing our Zeiss ZX1 studio scene, and holy cow, that lens looks amazing. The 16-megapixel Live MOS sensor and DFD-powered AF system deliver impressive images across a wide range of scenarios. Fuji needs a tiny pancake zoom if it wants to win customer in this category. These options are fun to try, but mostly pretty silly. ItLooks good but imwouldnt say that. Camera industry thinks the LCD screen is a replacement, which it isnt. The LCD serves me well. White Shadow: When I purchased my GX85 back in December, its 12-32mm kit lens also came with a plastic mount. Good travel cameras should be small, versatile, and offer good image quality. The GM series provided camera bodies that looked like toys but performed like real cameras. Obviously it is unfair to compare the Lumix GX850 to a full frame sensor camera. Faster AF? Our print quality analysis answers the important question: "Just how big can I print my photos at higher ISOs?". Oh and btw, I haven't read my GX8 manual... Because I haven't needed too. It's a quiet speed demon and focuses better than any of the okympuses I have tried (penf, em5 mkII , other pens). 1 Panasonic GX850 Review page 1 2 Next The Panasonic Lumix DMC-GX850 (known as the GX800 and GF9 in some regions) is the brand’s most compact interchangeable lens camera (as of Spring 2017) and uses the same 16MP Four Thirds sensor as several of its siblings. And if you take the time to process the Raw files, as we've done here, you can get some great results. It's a seriously big, seriously pricey lens, but does its performance justify its cost? The severely short 4K recording time was the main reason I chose to buy the Panasonic LX100 instead. The Panasonic GX850 turned in a solid performance in the print quality department, especially given its class and sensor resolution. Most laptops cannot process 4K video anyway and not many people have a 4K TV for now. 02/01/2017: First Shots But the real delineator is size. Then there are those tiny prime f/1.8 lenses like the 20mm f/1.7 pancake, which don't add to the weight and give nice low-light shooting options and bokeh. Finally no AA filter gives you higher resolution and a notch better ISO/color performance. "a camera such as this if it was waterproof - for around the swimming pool, beach, lake etc", I thought PEN-F should be "Weather Sealed", but it does not. My point is that there is no practical reason on why there is no grip. But the reason I won't go below APS-C is that I want shallow depth of field with a normal lens. What is field curvature, and why should you care? @Vit- sure. The GX850 is the most recent addition to one of the longest-running Micro Four Thirds series of cameras out there, the Panasonic GF-family. by Jeremy Gray, William Brawley, Zig Weidelich and Dave Pardue The GX85 is not really a very cheap entry level camera. Out of interest, what was the ISO set to on the second image (p1040528.jpg)? There is also a background defocus option that simulates a shallow depth-of-field. Perhaps when they release a 20Mp sensor without the AA filter. But not all have the same criteria ;) Tastes and color... And honestly if I want a small camera without EVF, there only that everywhere... All the pens, all the compact cameras are virtually exactly that. I like the tilting LCD on my similar GF7. 04/12/2017: Performance Huh, after Googling it I see Casio's TR range (like 3-4 models) does have a 21mm equivalent focal length lens... On a camera largely marketed for selfies, seems kinda bizarre tbh but there must be a market for it if they have a bunch of models in the same form factor. Has dpreview changed its 'Review' format ? What's the best camera for travel? I don't think IBIS could be incororated but it is not necessary..Such a GM7 with DFD would be something to remember as opposed to this hopeless failure of cam. Wish they'd finally relent on the whole exp comp thing in Manual, they're like the last holdout there. Or something like "They just took a GM1, changed housing and added 4K video". 3. 'The default exposure behavior in Intelligent Auto mode tends to be sensible', Leica SL2-S Review (Oh, how we like a Leica), What is lens breathing? Camera and all lenses are so light, don't miss my rebel and lenses. In the UK and Europe it's available body-only for £509/€599 and with both the 12-32mm F3.5-5.6 and a 35-100mm F4-5.6 for £729/€899. ;-) ) options. Oh, and you get double the RAW buffer of the GM5. I don't know who thought that was a great idea. The A3 could be an alternative for me, but, especially with the kit lens, is getting to be too big to be a jacket pocket camera.And as I already have a range of Panasonic M43 lenses for the other pocket, for me there's no decision to make. 4K? The current GX850 is in a bit of no man's land, it's not much more capable than other entry level models, and it's bigger selling points both have a drawback (4K - 15 min cap and AF) or have been diminished vs outgoing models (larger and less sturdy than the GMs). The GX850 wheel is better than the GM1's. Small camera without EVF. I am not saying that they should have max ISO of 409.600 like the full frame a7S ii, but at least give us some improvements. I have a GX85 and got the GX850 to use the same lenses and feel. The above image was processed through Adobe Camera Raw and 'pops' significantly more than the out of camera JPEG (shot in 'Standard' profile). Panasonic is confusing...GX8, GX850, GX85Three different cameras but all related in someway, separated by price. The focus peaking settings and the actually engagement of it are in completely separate sub menus. I'm glad they haven't sized up the GF/GX### line too much, but outside of the tilt screen there's little here that would tempt me. With a capacity of 850 watts, this is suitable for a setup with a very high-end processor and video card. The Panasonic GX850 represents the merging of its 'beauty-oriented' GF-series and its ultra-small GM-series. While a handful of recent Micro Four Thirds models, such as the GX8, GX9, G9 and GH5, are sporting a newer, higher-resolution 20MP Four Thirds sensor, the Panasonic GX850, on the other hand, maintains the familiar 16-megapixel resolution as a large number of previous Lumix ILC cameras. This user is someone who prefers a selfie-screen to an EVF and favors ease-of-use and compactness. Plastic flanges are more likely to break than metal ones. Claimed RAW buffer depth has improved however, from 7 frames to 15, while buffer depth with JPEGs is rated at over 100 frames. For starters, unlike GF7, the new Panasonic GX850 downsizes to the smaller microSD card format. I get shallow depth of field with a "normal" lens wide open (f1.7 on the 25mm Panasonic). You've got a reference for that? If you resort to a monochrome mode, your high-frame rate option gets ghosted out with no explanation whatsoever. 05/22/2017: Field Test Tommi K1 -- I'm sure every one here knows what I'm talking about. My GX85 feels like a brick in comparison. Because it is so easy to get lost with those touchy buttons! It also gains all of Panasonic's 4K-related stills modes as well as post focus. It's weird. And while we've yet to get a definitive answer from Panasonic regarding the fate of the GM series, the lack of news as well as affiliate and Panasonic websites all listing the GM5 as no longer available seems to answer the question. Try them for yourself. The earlier GF7/8 made a better compromise in this regard. Is it me or is this the shortest camera review ever?Hey look, it works OK like all the other M43s and the colors suck so do RAW..The End. @Treeshade: I'm reminded of the Pentax-DA 15mm f/4 Limited, which is one of the smallest modern ultra-wides you'll see for APS-C and does use a modest aperture to get there... but it seems from most users' reviews that another compromise in the design is on corner sharpness (possibly due to field curvature), which can't be corrected in software. The AF is worse. What’s the best camera costing over $2500? However, the new camera is rated for slightly lower battery life than the predecessor, at 210 shots per charge rather than 230. Actually I like the way to put the spec in the last page because usually I don't Read the specs page. Fuji JPEG are sure pleasing but there everything but natural. Sharing images with the GX850 is also fairly straightforward. plus Samyang's 12mm might be the best bet... Tho that could be too wide and still doesn't net ya AF. But lack of EVF = no buy from me. I'd rather pay $50 more for a Sony RX100 II and get about the same IQ, more (20MP's) resolution, '3x the focal range', -> f1.8 Zeiss lens <-, with a smaller camera. As we press on with our full review, we've analyzed just how the Zeiss ZX1 stacks up in front of our standard studio test scene. It produces excellent images and the smaller/lighter form factor is actually more comfortable to shoot with, it does not need a grip. In 2019, Seasonic engineers have made improvements on the popular series, removing the inline capaci The E-M1X and E-M1 Mark III also get ProRes Raw video recording, but does it meet Jordan's standards? Back then they just called them self-portraits, taken with the self-timer feature. You can still buy GF7 and GF8 cameras quite readily. I do know that at least up to GF7 the GF line was Panasonic best selling camera. Click through to see for yourself. Deluded. Unless it was 12800 or higher, and presuming the sensor is the same as GM1, you could probably get rid of that noise in RawTherapee using RAW files. The Zeiss ZX1 is a unique compact camera, dominated by a large touchscreen. But some cameracompanies seem to be way too stupid to realise a good product even when they have made it in the past.GM7...4K video. Shooting like an amateur but getting professional results without people knowing. @OlyPent just because you find UI arguments tedious it doesn't make them wrong arguments. I thought they had been superseded. I really like the focal length for videoin 16:9. If not, some buyers might be drawn to this camera to "reduce the appearance of aging" UGH. Be sure to read our Field Test and other pages for much more on the features, image quality, performance and handling of the GX850! And selling the GM line for $300 means they are losing $$$ on each unit sold. I am perhaps fortunate that that my engineering background, exposure to UI design and camera experience of several manufacturers, allows me to keep a perspective where I can see the benefits and not so benefits of each, perhaps a bit clearer. And if no face is detected, the camera defaults to its 49-point area mode, which tends to focus on the nearest or most central object. When using small lenses, such as the kit lens, with the GX850, its small size is no issue. The starting point for me is 50mm f/2 on FF or 35mm f/1.4 on APS-C. With modern nikons (G series) you can shoot sharp and with smooth bokeh wide-open. A Philadelphia-based remote pilot managed to accrue $182,000 in fines from the FAA. As the most compact Micro Four Thirds interchangeable lens camera currently in Panasonic's lineup, the GX850 is indeed a very small camera. To top it off, it's a remarkably small, lightweight, and stylish camera ( and I don't shoot selfies). We're glad you asked. I like to know which buttons may be customized. Even the gm5 without dfd focuses faster , can track some and has more usability / precise options for focusing (pin point focus)- and can focus into lower light than penf or omd em5 mkII. Yet it was done to at least get some money back from a failed line. Let's get into it and explore the strengths and weaknesses of the GX850 in real-world use. It's time for our annual predictions episode! As long as the grip does not protrude out more than the thinnest lens, it is OK.The only reason that I can think of is to make the camera looks "better/stylish" without a grip. Yes, the Panasonic is certainly more intuitive at many things than the Olympus. Thanks for pointing it out! They also tend to look oversharpened and flat for some kind of photos where it would look smooth and 3D like with other jpeg engines (or using RAW). In Hong Kong it is called GF9 (but we have GX85 and G85 like US). Did Panasonic ever regret that they made the GM series such a capable camera that they needed to revise it to appeal to less involved users? my guess is that the LX200 will use a cropped version of the Oly/Pany 20mp sensor. The overall balance is pretty good, and Panasonic is particularly good with browns of one sort or another. But spare me te "deluded" adjectives, I am talking from experience. In fact the selfie flip-up screen as in the GF8 is more useful for waist or low level shooting. The newly upgraded FOCUS PX and GX series are the successors to the FOCUS PLUS Series, which became an instant top seller in the power supply market after its launch in 2017. Granted the tilt screen is a big draw for candid shooting... Not ponying up $500 for that and taking a step back in several other regards tho. The UI now is a mess to change some settings. The Panasonic Lumix DMC-GX850 (known as the GX800 and GF9 in some regions) is the brand’s most compact interchangeable lens camera (as of Spring 2017) and uses the same 16MP Four Thirds sensor as several of its siblings. ON the Olympus you have to set the tap/AF *mode* which is completely mutually exclusive/modal with the super control panel. High resolution, weather-sealed bodies and wide dynamic range are all important. I think Panasonic finally killed separated GF and GM line. The UI is worse. The Panasonic GX850 is sold in either an all-black color or a two-toned silver and black style, and is kitted with the ultra-compact G Vario 12-32mm f/3.5-5.6 Mega OIS retractable zoom lens. My favorite part of reviews is the pictures of controls. I think the Olympus had a filter infront of the sensor, Olympus (that model) has an AA filter. this Panasonic looks very liking LEICA M. The LEICA M's look is timeless. Report: After more than 70 years Nikon ends domestic camera production, planning move to Thailand, Gear of the Year: Dale's choice - Fujifilm X-Pro3, The 7 most clichéd photography gifts (and what to buy instead), Gift idea: These are the best instant cameras in 2020. 4.7 out of 5 stars 5,213 CDN$ 142.78 CDN$ 142. Agree with the UI comments. On the flip side, you run a greater risk of generating moiré and other aliasing artifacts such as false colors and jagged-looked edges. Of course, with such a compact form factor, there are some sacrifices to be made. So does the A6000. I own currently the omd em5 mk II, the penf. "Lean, mean, selfie machine". I often hit a wrong button to navigate the settings. But compare it to the E-PL7 (default camera in the test bank of 4) and you'll notice the Panasonic looks considerably better. I like the new briefer format for the little siblings in the lineup. Have your say: Best gear of 2020 - winners and final vote! Feature that appeals to me is the one-touch back-to-default-settings button. I'll have a humongous tilting viewfinder AND a tilting touch screen on both my system camera and my belt-worn compact! Together with excelent touchpad focus point selection, controls layout and ibis and it is a winner. Other than that the lack of an EVF is not an issue. Saying that, I was quite happy shooting GM1 mostly with 14-42 M II and 45-150 in Barcelona few months ago and the results were excelent too. NOTE: These images are from best quality JPEGs straight out of the camera, at default settings including noise reduction and using the camera's actual base ISO (not extended ISO settings). Would be very interested to hear your thoughts. Our latest test scene is designed to simulate both daylight and low light shooting. Mobile phones killed the cheap compact camera and this camera is not going to change their minds. Still more interesting than Oly's latest E-PL tho, so it's likely to sell within existing system users. 5-axis In-Body Image Stabilization (IBIS). IF the colors are so-so? Looking first at image sharpness, the GX850 uses an updated 16-megapixel Live MOS Four Thirds sensor which lacks an optical low-pass filter. There's an Oly pancake FE too... Two more ultrawide rectilinear lenses that, though not pancake-shallow, are reasonably compact, lightweight, and affordable:SLR Magic 8mm f/4Panasonic Lumix 14/2.5 with Lumix 0.78x wide-angle adapter. Snag either for under $100. The review makes no mention of te new revamped beautify in post with latest firmware upgrade with much more retouch (creepy? In this buying guide we've rounded-up several great cameras for shooting landscapes, and recommended the best. Snug as a Bug in a Rug by Stevie Boy Blue, 3" 1.04M-dot touch LCD flips ups 180 degrees. Sorry, don't have it on hand, just remember reading about it. Some sensors keep the same MP count from one generation to the next but upgrades pretty much everything else. For a small camera, I won't bother with using a EVF or OVF. Tags Review Seasonic … Only true UWA or long telephotos prime are lacking. This new global partnership will see the two companies work together to research and develop co-engineered imaging systems for Vivo smartphones, starting with the new X60 series. Most users of this camera will leave it in JPEG mode and be totally satisfied (there are 7 JPEG Picture Profiles you can choose from and 22 Creative Filter effects). Here we present crops from our laboratory Still Life target comparing the Panasonic GX850's image quality to its predecessor's, the GF7, as well as against several competing entry-level mirrorless models at similar price points: the Canon EOS M100, Fuji X-A3, Olympus E-PL8 and Sony A5100. More like "It's OK like all other M43's and everything else sucks. I bought an as new Gm5 as a companion of my Em1.2. I got it on sale for I think $299 at a local shop . Lumix should not cheapen their lenses just like that. Nick Brandreth of the George Eastman Museum is back with a new episode of 'Darkroom Magic'. To me it seems that despite having a broad lineup, Panasonic has left a bit of a hole in it's offerings and I can easily see why DPR picked a Fuji as their entry level camera of choice in their latest roundup. Looking for an awesome last-minute gift idea? The only reason I do not use Fuji for landscape is X-Trans which produces the most artificial and unnatural colour ballance. The GX850 is the last Lumix model to gain 4K video and photo capabilities, making nearly all of Panasonic's Lumix cameras capable of capturing 4K media. Depending on the product, we've actually always created reviews with varying number of pages. For me, the ability to shoot 4K video is not important. We are retrieving offers for your location, please refresh the page to see the prices. Everything else has plastic mounts! I took a very good selfie with my 89 year old mother in a nursing home recently with my G7 that I doubt any cell phone could do (definitely no phone I would pony up for anyhow! If, and only "if", we can ignore all attempts to make it look "a lightweight" inside there beats a solid heart of capable camera. It's time to announce the winners of the first round of voting! I'm not talking about the internal parts of a lens, I'm talking about the outside part that couples to the camera's body. Well done to Panasonic on this camera for really good image quality for the price. ", "....Panasonic's core customer for this camera is the casual user seeking a carry-everywhere-cam for documenting friends or family. Image Quality. Yes, you don't get the quality of the GR but that, I think, is the problem with reviewers and critics, they miss the point, it's a fun sized package that can produce the goods! There you can generate a local Wi-Fi network and connect your smart device. The IQ difference is noticeable even for casual users. I agree I love my GM5. Price Match Guarantee. Its so called "replacement" or that is how I imagine this thing in reality is. See how you do the focus point for single point autofocus on the Panasonic vs the Olympuses - in the Panasonic you tap on the LCD, you get an instant response. We've combed through the options and selected our two favorite cameras in this class. It was ISO 12800. The gx850 is not just about looking in the mirror. Because it's much smaller. Well the two cameras feel very different and the menus are only partial overlap and the function buttons are in difficult places and I could go on. It does take decent photos and does fit in a large pocket with the kit lens collapsed. The GX850 started shipping in February 2017 for a retail price of US$549.99. That increases to up to 10 and 6fps respectively using the electronic shutter. Though the GX850 is Panasonic's most entry-level camera, this segment of the mirrorless market has a lot of strong contenders to choose from. Read more, Panasonic has returned to making ultra-compact mirrorless cameras with its release of the Lumix DMC-GX850 (GX800 and GF9 in some markets). You're in really good hands up to ISO 1600, with tons of fine detail and excellent colors throughout. BTW, While Panasonic re-badgeds its camera to LEICA, Panasonic removes grip. Does n't have it on sale for I think GF9 lacks AA filter, and M semi-modular! 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